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[05:16:27] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Robyn: [[User:Robyn Grayson/DPL|do the dang files]]
[05:16:32] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !on
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[05:16:35] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !info
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[05:16:41] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !disable
[05:16:41] [CBOT] Game Boterator: All yours, chief!
[05:17:01] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !tell
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[05:17:21] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !tell Wraiyf that Ignore this, it's to ping the bot so I know when you enter.
[05:17:21] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Aight! I'll tell Wraiyf that next time we meet.
[05:35:09] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Nothing to log. Wow this chat has been dead for a while lol
[05:55:08] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Nothing to log. Wow this chat has been dead for a while lol
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[06:28:44] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Ay! Wraiyf! Robyn Grayson wanted me to tell you: Ignore this, it's to ping the bot so I know when you enter..
[06:31:13] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Hi
[06:31:14] [JOIN] 50000cal has logged onto the Accelerated World.
[06:31:49] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Hi
[06:32:02] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: @Wraiyf, I'm considering self demoting but
[06:32:08] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: What protection do I have if I do
[06:32:17] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: The only reason I'm still buro is so I can edit
[06:32:47] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: What assurance do I have that they won't outright block me if I self-demote?
[06:32:51] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I won't allow them to block you, if they do I can just unblock you
[06:32:54] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: This is my concern, I just want to edit, really.
[06:33:03] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I see, and what if you do not?
[06:33:14] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Idk people tend to go back on their word once they get what they want
[06:33:15] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I will, I'm not the sort to make false promises
[06:33:47] [CHAT] Wraiyf: If that's what I wanted, why would I have given you the option to demote yourself? If I really wanted that I would of just persisted on the discussion
[06:34:17] [CHAT] Wraiyf: instead I gave you the choice which is the lesser of two evils, and that way you still get to edit
[06:34:51] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: That's true
[06:35:16] [CHAT] 50000cal: Would they respect your authority in potentially unblocking Robyn, though?
[06:35:58] [CHAT] 50000cal: They hold a clear-cut grudge and they've demonstrated that they will stop at nothing to bring her down
[06:36:03] [CHAT] Wraiyf: Well considering I was the one who bought in Qunow from SAO, and all the others know what I'm like as an admin and an editor (when I have the time) they'd respect enough to not go against my opinion
[06:36:28] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I am under the impression you are not like Richie or ZeHaffen so I'm hoping to get a response that would benefit us all
[06:36:32] [CHAT] Wraiyf: all I gotta do is tell them htat Robyn can still edit etc. don't block them etc. and they'll listen
[06:36:59] [CHAT] Wraiyf: Richie and Ze' sometimes over-react and they acknowledge that, to my knowledge they've been like that for a while, but wjem ot
[06:37:08] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I see, but you know, on other wikis, when they can't block someone, they tend to go out of their way to make things difficult for a user
[06:37:24] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Such as spamming their message wall with "Undid Your Edit"
[06:37:25] [CHAT] Wraiyf: when someone they respect cuts in and tells them enough, they tend to stop
[06:37:26] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: "Here's why"
[06:38:04] [CHAT] Wraiyf: mm, with that, I think I'd probably talk to them if they started doing that, as that's pointless, it should just be in the edit notes unless it was a constant offender doing the same thing over and over
[06:39:03] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh and regarding the watchlist thing
[06:39:11] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I've been under the hood of wikia
[06:39:44] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: It's not what you think, it's just a list users get thrown into on the IRC if they are blocked by an admin
[06:40:10] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Whether fairly or not
[06:40:18] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: And after a short period of time, I think a week
[06:40:24] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: The users automatically get removed
[06:40:26] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: But until then
[06:40:46] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Every edit they make is "watched" on the irc channel
[06:40:57] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: That's all I know
[06:40:58] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Is the watchlist you speak of this?
[06:41:18] [CHAT] Wraiyf: It's quite similar, once they are listed, if they're again bought up to Staff, it comes up as well, so every edit is watched for a time frame, after that any issues which are reported to Wikia are logged for evidence in case an offender causes huge drama
[06:42:55] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh
[06:43:02] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: ye sounds about right
[06:43:41] [CHAT] Wraiyf: yeah, so usually much better to sort it out before it gets that far
[06:43:47] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I'm curious though, does anyone have decent knowledge of JS?
[06:44:12] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Among Qunow, Ze', Rich, Mtt, who else..
[06:44:31] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Well, you get the idea
[06:44:36] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Or perhaps you?
[06:45:22] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I have moderate knowledge of Java, as do all the admins at the other wikia I work at, who've always offered to help with coding if needed
[06:45:23] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I believe Mtt and Qunow have JS knowledge too
[06:45:46] [CHAT] Wraiyf: Rich and Ze don't have a lot to my knowledge, however they might know some
[06:45:54] [CHAT] Wraiyf: haven't really asked them about their skills
[06:46:09] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Not Java, Javascript
[06:46:22] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Those automated work I do on Gbt
[06:46:23] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Bot*
[06:46:37] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: And like mass rename I (sometmes) do on my main
[06:47:10] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I know you meant Javascript, I just prefer to write Java, less words, faster response
[06:47:52] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: It'd be convenient to have someone with that knowledge, it gets rid of trolls fairly easily too
[06:48:39] [CHAT] Wraiyf: of course, and luckily at the moment too, with Wikia changing  a lot of things, it's getting a lot easier to do mass edits without the constant need to goto each page etc.
[06:48:50] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: We moved to https
[06:49:06] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Images can't be linked anymore
[06:49:16] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Have to upload it per-wiki
[06:49:19] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Or cross wiki
[06:49:20] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Rip
[06:49:40] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh one last thing
[06:49:48] [CHAT] Wraiyf: yeah, although thank god we can MultipleUpload, I think they've increased it from 10 images to 20 images.. plus uploading them yourself makes it easier to check the images for imperfections
[06:50:06] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: MultiUpload > Multiple Upload
[06:50:31] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: That's how I uploaded the images for acceleration under a short period of time :S
[06:50:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: [[w:c:dev:MultiUpload]]
[06:52:49] [CHAT] Wraiyf: ahh yes, that's what they bought in a few years ago, I remember when that became such a big thing, because so many had created specific ones for their wiki's but when this came out so many editors were happy
[06:53:17] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Yee one of my friends self-hosted this to extend the limit from 500 to 5000
[06:58:20] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: When wikia staff intervened and told both them and me to work together on the wiki, Rich and Ze' said they would totally abandon the wiki simply from my presence, going against the staff's request and refusing to cooperate in working on the wiki. They created their own fork wiki and wanted absolutely nothing to do with me. However, they've now contradicted their statement and are now back to demote me again. I find that very odd especially since they already have their own wiki developed more or less. Why are they going the extra mile? It seems extremely vindictive.
[07:00:57] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I think the reasoning is because of how much effort they'd put into this wikia originally, and that they wanted to work on it again, and felt that they couldn't when you got angry because they'd been promoted, I believe the same is for Qunow, as she'd been such a huge contributor on the wikia, especially because of her translation skills, she could update articles that many others couldn't due to having knowledge of the series outside of the YP Translations
[07:01:21] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: >angry
[07:01:22] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Nani
[07:01:45] [CHAT] Wraiyf: because a lot of the content on the fork wiki would be stuff that they'd put on this wikia, e.g images and articles, but still felt like their work had been taken from them because they didn't feel welcomed here
[07:03:18] [CHAT] Wraiyf: that's why I'm going to step in and make sure no more arguments arise from it, so any arguments and I'll reprimand everyone involved
[07:07:31] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: If I had been angry then they'd must have been far beyond the biological limit of madness haha
[07:08:35] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Mttblue exhibits no behavior of malice whatsoever though, they are fine with working with me
[07:08:47] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: From what I know they only moved because of Rich and Ze'
[07:10:50] [CHAT] Wraiyf: its possible I never asked Mtt, Defan or Qunow their specific reasons for moving, when Qunow mentioned about it the other week, she said it was just easier, wasn't specific
[07:17:39] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Robyn: [[User:Robyn Grayson/DPL|do the dang files]]
[07:17:53] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh
[07:18:10] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I hope you know a kiss-and-makeup strategy has been previously attempted
[07:18:39] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I was met with nothing but malice
[07:19:01] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: They want me gone lol, not just demoted
[07:25:04] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I'll sort them out
[07:25:16] [CHAT] Wraiyf: might be harsh at first, but eventually they'll give in
[07:28:30] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Alright. Forgive me for asking but can you help "stall"? The only other reason I've kept the admin rights was because it was the only right outside of staff that could edit mw pages
[07:29:20] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I don't really care about buro, if you want me to self-demote I will gladly do so as long as I can still edit the pages I was working on
[07:30:00] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Due to school I haven't had any time at all in the past 4 months to finish what I started, you can check my contribs for confirmation
[07:30:05] [CHAT] Wraiyf: how long do you think you'll need to complete the edits you're currently working on?
[07:37:21] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: With my current schedule
[07:37:33] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I have no idea, I've been trying my best to get them done but everytime I do something comes up
[07:37:36] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Either another user needs help
[07:37:40] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Or I have chores irl
[07:38:00] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Literally as we speak I was called off to do chores
[07:38:03] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: So pardon my late responses
[07:39:27] [CHAT] Wraiyf: hmm, okay, well as long as you demote yourself of Bureaucratic rights, I'm sure I can get them to lay off of that, and no arguments, as long as you're regularly editing and fixing the media wiki, as KidProdigy made a comment about not seeing any major changes in the 12 months since everything happened.
[07:39:56] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Did you check Gbot's edit
[07:40:08] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Sometimes it's not on my main, I do it on bot account cause it's faster
[07:40:24] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: And also so I dont get myself on the blacklist on the irc channel lmao
[07:41:11] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Too many edits under a certain amount of time grabs Wikia's Bot's attention
[07:41:26] [CHAT] Wraiyf: Yeah I know, I think KP was meaning in general, not edits themselves, but no real change to the wikia no huge leaps in Views on it either
[07:42:01] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Tbf AW is overshadowed by SAO
[07:42:01] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: :(
[07:42:43] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: But I have been giving my all + admin on other wikis so time = limited af ;w;
[07:43:32] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: If you are still unsure, check out the NGNL wiki, I'm not bluffing when I say I do put effort
[07:43:53] [CHAT] Wraiyf: yeah it is, which is why a few of the SAO Contributors were thinking of coming here, instead went to the other one as all the other editors were there. with AW Translations speeding up, I believe it may warrant another season soon enough
[07:44:50] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh
[07:45:00] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Hope that happens
[07:45:18] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Infinite Burst was nice, not many get a movie
[07:46:28] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Most edits here are from anons
[07:51:36] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Before I demote myself of bureaucrat rights, I would like to see Rich, Ze', and Qunow agree to these conditions.
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