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[12:41:23] [CHAT] Wraiyf: and to be honest, if this discussion goes through, you getting your B Rights removed will also most likely put you on a watch list on Wikia, as if they've had to forcibly demote someone, they'll have to watch for any problems... I'm only bringing this up, because I believe it'd be in your best interest to revoke your rights yourself... you can keep roll back and content mod, however bureau and admin I recommend removing
 
[12:41:23] [CHAT] Wraiyf: and to be honest, if this discussion goes through, you getting your B Rights removed will also most likely put you on a watch list on Wikia, as if they've had to forcibly demote someone, they'll have to watch for any problems... I'm only bringing this up, because I believe it'd be in your best interest to revoke your rights yourself... you can keep roll back and content mod, however bureau and admin I recommend removing
 
[12:43:26] [CHAT] Wraiyf: anyways, I'm off now, I'll save the chat, anyting comes up, please leave a message or we can continue tomorrow.
 
[12:43:26] [CHAT] Wraiyf: anyways, I'm off now, I'll save the chat, anyting comes up, please leave a message or we can continue tomorrow.
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[12:58:35] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Sorry I had to go afk
 
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[[Category:Wikia Chat logs|2016 04 23]]
 
[[Category:Wikia Chat logs|2016 04 23]]

Latest revision as of 12:58, 11 February 2018

[12:07:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: https://imgur.com/a/ZiJNu
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Wraiyf: he's on discord/reddit for MH:World, and was just asking
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: MH?
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Wraiyf: Monster Hunter
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: O
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Should I bring in gbot to log
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I logged with it for awhile but logging dead chat spammed the recent activity fast
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Wraiyf: eh, upto you, I just move it all onto a notepad file anyways, that way I have it on my actual desktop for reference
[12:07:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Excuse me one second
[12:07:49] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Game Boterator v1.9 is online!
[12:07:49] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Error initializing CleverBot.
[12:07:50] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Robyn: [[User:Robyn Grayson/DPL|do the dang files]]
[12:08:06] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !on
[12:08:07] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Ohaiyo
[12:08:09] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !restart
[12:08:50] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Game Boterator v1.9 is online!
[12:08:50] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Error initializing CleverBot.
[12:08:50] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Robyn: [[User:Robyn Grayson/DPL|do the dang files]]
[12:08:50] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !on
[12:08:50] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Ohaiyo
[12:08:50] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Logging...
[12:08:50] [CHAT] Wraiyf: allg now?
[12:08:50] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Ye we good I think
[12:08:50] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Restarting...
[12:08:53] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Robyn: [[User:Robyn Grayson/DPL|do the dang files]]
[12:08:56] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Ah nice it works
[12:09:25] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !kick Robyn Grayson
[12:09:26] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Haha no.
[12:09:30] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Okay so it can't kick either
[12:09:38] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: We're good
[12:09:47] [CHAT] Wraiyf: okay, so what would you like to talk about? considering you came in, I'll let you start with what you'd like to say
[12:10:06] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I'mma be blunt then.
[12:10:09] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I am not your enemy
[12:11:23] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I doubt you want to sit through a political discussion with me
[12:12:43] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I don't want to sit through a political discussion with you either, unnecessary when the thread it open, yes? All facts and formal-y speech can be put there
[12:12:50] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Is*
[12:12:56] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I understand that, I don't see you as an enemy, what I do see you as is an unjustified administrator
[12:13:02] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I see
[12:13:09] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: !off
[12:13:09] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Cries. Bye ;w;
[12:13:25] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: The bot will be silent now, share
[12:13:26] [CHAT] Wraiyf: you made the argument yourself about admins being made without community agreement yes? I saw the chat log
[12:13:46] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Ah yeah, those were the guidelines I was taught
[12:13:48] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: What about em'
[12:14:39] [CHAT] Wraiyf: just because they are guidelines in another wikia doesn't mean that's what other wikia's follow, take Arrowverse for example, it started off as a wikia for one TV Series, it has now expanded into a wikia for 5 other shows, not including the web series which I believe is 3 others
[12:15:16] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Wow lol
[12:15:33] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Omoshiroi, is this about my own promotion?
[12:15:40] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I've been working on their since 2013, now it wasn't until the community became extremely large did we ever have votes/discussions on people becoming admins
[12:16:20] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I see
[12:16:37] [CHAT] Wraiyf: it isn't just that, it's about a lot more things, however I believe your promotion is possibly the catalyst for the entire fiasco, hence why KidProdigy (the one who gave you admin/bureau rights) asked Staff to revoke them, but they said you'd have to do it yourself, however none of them believed you would to my knowledge
[12:17:08] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Ah
[12:17:19] [CHAT] Wraiyf: so that's why they started the discussion which then turned into a massive feista of carnage between what, 3-4 different wikia communities who aren't involved here
[12:17:56] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I see
[12:18:02] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I get your point
[12:18:17] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Did you read the demotion threads btw
[12:18:36] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I went through all the users who commented on the discussion, a lot of the users who backed you had maybe 1-2 edits on here, and then backed you, which in all relativaty, isn't fair as that is not a part of the community, hence why after contacting staff, and as you see Sean responded to me (he's the one dealing with it and has told me what to do)
[12:18:38] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: (How long have you got before you gotta bounce)
[12:19:02] [CHAT] Wraiyf: yes I went through all of them... whenver the missus decides to goto bed, so not sure, could be an hour, could be 10 mins
[12:19:50] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Hm, your message wall is empty
[12:19:55] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Where did Sean respond?
[12:20:23] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I went through the discussion thread for a few hours, checking all the users edits the month leading upto the discussion to see if they were suitable for their positions, I also checked Mtt and Defan at SAO
[12:20:39] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: This has absolutely nothing to do with SAO, though
[12:20:41] [CHAT] Wraiyf: email, if you check the discussion thread you will see a screenshot that I posted from an email I received form Sean 2 days ago
[12:21:04] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I checked SAO, Steven Universe and all the other wikia's that the users came from
[12:21:17] [CHAT] Wraiyf: from*
[12:21:21] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh the image wasn't there before
[12:21:46] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I'mma pause you right there
[12:22:17] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: What does it matter if they came from a different wiki or if they are a global contributor though
[12:22:27] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Or "home wiki"
[12:23:26] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: What time are you on, incase you or I have to leave, we can reschedule
[12:24:21] [CHAT] Wraiyf: I am +9.30GMT, Australia
[12:25:01] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Mostly similar timezone, awesome, on the whole day you are
[12:25:26] [CHAT] Wraiyf: the thing is, each wikia is a different community, you can't just have people come over from a different wikia to back you up if they aren't apart of the community prior to the issue, hence why Sean agreed with me, and came up with that idea of having a rule to stop that sort of voting.
[12:25:30] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: 3PM to 4 AM your time
[12:25:32] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I'll be on
[12:25:43] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Oh okay
[12:25:53] [CHAT] Wraiyf: okay, well tomorow I'll be on around 4-5pm after work
[12:26:02] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Aighty
[12:26:12] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Then tell me
[12:26:25] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Does where they come from
[12:26:29] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Invalidate their response
[12:26:32] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: They're reasoning
[12:26:32] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Etc
[12:26:34] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Their*
[12:29:25] [CHAT] Wraiyf: It invalidates their response/reasoning as they aren't apart of the community, as you previously said in the chat, a community vote must be made, however they weren't apart of the community previously until the discussion came up
[12:30:38] [CHAT] Wraiyf: the community are the editors of said wikia, I understand they were responding to criticism, but they cant just come in and interfere with another wiki's business, as it defeats the purpose of a community sorting things out, and as we saw, escalated and made things much worse
[12:31:17] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Ye shit went down
[12:31:18] [CBOT] Game Boterator: Robyn Grayson, please don't swear, it's rude.
[12:31:23] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Didnt i turn you off
[12:31:33] [CHAT] Wraiyf: it's apparently not even in here
[12:31:43] [CHAT] Wraiyf: or atleast disconnected
[12:34:39] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: It does invalidate their vote
[12:34:44] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: I agree but not the reasoning
[12:34:47] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: What they say, the stuff they said
[12:34:51] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: That, held meaning tbh
[12:36:10] [CHAT] Wraiyf: the reasoning is understandable, which is what I said, as they were responding to the criticism you received, however it did cause more issues than it solved.
           [CHAT] It invalidated the voting, which to be polite, would of demoted you and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now
[12:41:23] [CHAT] Wraiyf: and to be honest, if this discussion goes through, you getting your B Rights removed will also most likely put you on a watch list on Wikia, as if they've had to forcibly demote someone, they'll have to watch for any problems... I'm only bringing this up, because I believe it'd be in your best interest to revoke your rights yourself... you can keep roll back and content mod, however bureau and admin I recommend removing
[12:43:26] [CHAT] Wraiyf: anyways, I'm off now, I'll save the chat, anyting comes up, please leave a message or we can continue tomorrow.
[12:58:35] [CHAT] Robyn Grayson: Sorry I had to go afk